We will continue from where we left off. We will start here with Dr Ismail Abdulsalam responses to the claims made by YahwehSaves in Part I
*YOUR response:*
No! I didn’t missed the whole point. I Infact understood the whole point and I’m going to make it known. The Ibn Hajar wasn’t the one who held the opinion that Aisha was 14 at KHAYBAR and that she has not at the time of her 14 years old not have reached puberty. Ibn Hajar was quoting the Hadith and was raising question yet stated that even though it is questionable, it might possibly be so. Ibn Hajar went ahead to state the reason why it might be so for Aisha to not have reached puberty at age 14. He stated:
*THIS, BECAUSE* Aisha *was 14 year old girl at the time of the battle of KHAYBAR …*
He then went on to say that at the time of the battle of Taboook she had DEFINITELY REACHED THE AGE OF PUBERTY.
Note that this is two years after the battle of KHAYBAR. That means at Tabook she will be 16years old girl.
To further busted that what Hajar was using as evidence despite the question in his mind which he doesn’t stated, he cleared the air by saying:
*THEREFORE, THE STRONGEST VISW IS THAT THOSE WHO SAID: it was in KHAYBAR I.e WHEN SHE WAS NOT YET AT THE AGE OF PUBERTY*
Ibn Hajar stated the fact of the Matter despite the question it raised in him and said the consensus which is strongest (not weak) is that it she had not reached puberty at that age.
This is not his opinion that Aisha had not reach puberty. His concern and the facts are not one and the same thing.
*MY response:*
You definitely missed the point even though you admitted the *UNCERTAINTY of Ibn Hajar himself regarding his conclusion !!!*
And you are even proving it further that you actually missed the point as I am going to clearly point out again and more vividly.
Firstly, Ibn Hajar was commenting on an Hadith where he himself admitted that Aisha was 14 years old but still had doll with her.
The addition in the parenthesis/bracket in the text of the Hadith where Ibn Hajar opined that the reason she was allowed dolls at that time was possibly because she had NOT reached puberty *is NOT part of the Hadith* like I already pointed out.
It is just a conclusion or opinion that he reached but such conclusion is NOT sound. And here are my reasons:
(i) There are multiple Hadith showing how the parents of Aisha were trying to fatten her up to be ready for a married life I.e maturity .(Abu Dawood 3903)
If Aisha had not reached puberty or maturity for a married life, why would her parents despite their aim still send her to live with the prophet if their aim of fattening her up for maturity had not been met ?
(ii) Aisha herself reported that a female at around 9 years (referring to herself) is already a woman. (See Sunan Tirmidhi 2/409)
(iii) It is laughable to think that a female of 14 years or 16 years, depending on whether it was during Khaibar or Tabuk, in antiquity has NOT reached puberty.
So Ibn Hajar was only trying to justify the permission given to her to have a doll despite her being 14 years. Hence, he reluctantly concluded that probably she had not reached puberty.
Ibn Hajar says _*”.. The strongest view….”*_ referring to the strongest view in his own opinion (as he never referenced any scholars of Hadith) UNLIKE Al-Bayhaq who countered him by saying that the prohibition against playing with doll must have been declared after this incident of Khaibar or Tabuk.
Did I hear you say _*”consensus”*_ ? Definitely, you do not know what a consensus is. Bring me one Hadith scholar that share same opinion with him like I brought Al-Bayhaqi, thus disproving your consensus claim.
#2 *YOUR Response:*
And please what was the reason? It was allowed for her because she was still young else not prohibited for her but when she reached puberty the playing doll was provided.
That Aisha at the age of 14 at kaybar reconcile the contradiction why she was allowed to use doll else if she has reached the age of puberty no need for her to use doll, therefore she was alllowed to use doll hence not prohibited. In fact he stated that it was the permissibility of doll and prohibition of images in general.
*MY response:*
Your response here is incomprehensible because you are already confused.
I clearly stated, just like Imam Al-Bayhaqi, that she was allowed to have doll at 14 or 16 years because the prohibition against playing with doll had NOT been given or issued at that time.
*#3 YOUR Response :*
His questioning and his conclusion are oppose to each other. His questioning (which was not stated in the text) is not overshadowing the fact that he knows about Aisha puberty. Aisha never reach puberty at 14. His concern is not superior to STRONGEST VIEW on Aisha age.
*MY response:*
Thanks for agreeing that his questioning or doubts about his own opinion is a proof that he was uncertain whether or not Aisha had reached puberty. But we do know, just like I have given evidences above and from Aisha herself and her parents, that she already reached puberty.
_”The strongest view”_ you are shouting is from his own subjectivity. He did not name anybody. Again, I dare you to show me scholars of Hadith that share same opinion with him that Aisha at 14 years or 16 years was still immature.
#4 *YOUR Response:*
This is also false on many ground.
– the strongest view was that she wasn’t at puberty
– that tells you that it wasn’t Hajar opinion and if Hajar put forward the strongest view over his own opinion (which is the question in his mind not stated) then it IS SOUND.
– Not all girls reach puberty at the same time. There is variations in the time girls reach puberty and evidence suggested that at the time of medieval Arab, due to poor hygiene and lack of good nutrition, maturity occurs slowly and hence delay in onset of puberty therefore girls reached maturity late.
*MY response:*
What strongest view are you talking about despite being corrected that this only means the strongest view in his own subjectivity (Since he did not reference anybody). I already gave you proofs above, from Aisha herself and her own parents’ aims, that a female at 14 or 16 years in antiquity should have hit puberty.
*#5 YOUR Response:*
You didn’t pay attention to my response on this. I’ve already stated that it was two years after kaybar that the doll was prohibited Aisha and the reason was that it was at that time that she reach puberty.
The Battle of Tabuk took place in 630 CE (9 AH in the Islamic calendar), during the lifetime of Muhammad.
The Battle of Tabuk or Taboook occurred after the Battle of Khaybar, which took place in 628 CE (7 AH). Therefore, the Tabuk expedition happened two years after Khaybar.
So you argument still didn’t prove or disprove anything.
Aisha was 14 at kaybar not her reached puberty therefore doll was permitted for her
Aisha at tabuk or tabook was 16, she has reached puberty, the doll was prohibited her
Therefore at 14 never reached puberty hence doll was allowed for her.
*You quoted an Hadith below*
Hadith
> Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin:
> When the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) arrived *after the expedition to Tabuk or Khaybar (the narrator is doubtful),* the draught raised an end of a curtain which was hung in front of her store-room, revealing some dolls which belonged to her.
> He asked: What is this? *She replied: My dolls*. Among them he saw a horse with wings made of rags, and asked: What is this I see among them? She replied: A horse. He asked: What is this that it has on it? She replied: Two wings. He asked: A horse with two wings? She replied: Have you not heard that Solomon had horses with wings? She said: Thereupon the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) laughed so heartily that I could see his molar teeth.
Sunan Abi Dawud, 4932
This Hadith still prove my point that it was after she turned puberty that she was forbidden use of doll at that was two years after kaybar (when she was 14) and this time she was 16.
*MY response:*
I want to believe you read in the Hadith where I bolded. It says _*”…..after the expedition to Tabuk OR Khaibar (the narrator is doubtful)…*”_
From the above, it clear that Aisha was either 14 or 16 years at the time in question !!!!!!
*#5 YOUR Response*
You are now becoming more fraudulent by saying what the text didn’t say.
1. Kaybar and Tarbuk are not the same war or event. So to say kaybar or Tabuk aisha was 14 as if it is talking about the same event is fraudulent. Aisha was 14 years old at kaybar but 16 at taburk/Tabook.
2. The Hadith you quoted is not a reference to when she was 14 at kaybar but after kaybar which was at Taburk/tabook
3. The narrator is doubtful which is in the brackets wasn’t a reference or doubt about an event at kaybar where Aisha was a girl of 14 but event that unveiled after Tabook when Mohammed came back from the expedition (AFTER RHE EXPEDITION TO TABUK). I would suggest that the reference to kaybar and Tabook at the same time is what made the narrator doubtful because it is not an event of kaybar but after it.
*MY response:*
Go back and reread the Hadith and where I bolded. It clearly says _*”….after the expedition to Tabuk OR Khaibar (the narrator is doubtful)…..*”_
Nobody is saying that Khaibar and Tabuk are SAME event. Rather, the narrator is unsure, hence proving that Aisha was at least 14 years or 16 years at this time she has dolls.
You said:
This proves that she was NOT allowed to play with doll simply because she was young but because the prohibition against playing with doll for adolescents had not been declared at time as other scholars of Hadith, such as Al-Bayhaq, have pointed out.
Response:
You messed up this narrative boy.
What this actually proves was that she WAS ALLOWED (NOT SHE WAS NOT ALLOWED) TO PLAYED WITH DOLL SIMPLY BECAUSE SHE WAS YOUNG but because the prohibition against playing with doll for A GIRL WHO HAS NOT REACHED PUBERTY DOES NOT APPLIED TO HER (not that it has not been declared at time)
Conclusions:
From all evidences above, the opinion of Ibn Hajar, which you dubiously tried to portray as a consensus or strong view, is undefendable in the light of the evidences I presented above.
Note: The portion with bolded text above that has:
You said:
This proves that she was NOT allowed to play with doll simply because she was young but because the prohibition against playing with doll for adolescents had not been declared at time as other scholars of Hadith, such as Al-Bayhaq, have pointed out.
Response:
You messed up this narrative boy.
What this actually proves was that she WAS ALLOWED (NOT SHE WAS NOT ALLOWED) TO PLAYED WITH DOLL SIMPLY BECAUSE SHE WAS YOUNG but because the prohibition against playing with doll for A GIRL WHO HAS NOT REACHED PUBERTY DOES NOT APPLIED TO HER (not that it has not been declared at time)
was part of YahwehSaves response (his in italics) that Dr Ismail couldn’t touched before his concluding part
Let us continue
*#6 YOUR Response:*
There is no evidence that Al-Bayhaqi was right as regards this. And this source is even questionable since Ibn Hajar wasn’t the only one who reported that doll was permissible for because she was still not yet reached puberty.
Narrated ‘Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for ‘Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, NOT YET REACHED THE AGE OF PUBERTY.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13) (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151)
Narrated ‘Aisha: The Prophet was screening me with his Rida’ (garment covering the upper part of the body) while I was looking at the Ethiopians who were playing in the courtyard of the mosque. (I continued watching) till I was satisfied. So you may deduce from this event how a little girl (who has not reached the age of puberty) who is eager to enjoy amusement should be treated in this respect. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 163)
Don’t tell me that they are wrong as well thar Aisha was permitted to use doll because she hasn’t reached puberty. The Arabic word jariya used in the above Hadith showed she is not of puberty age.
*MY RESPONSE:*
Imam Al-Bayhaqi, just like me, is basing his counter against the opinion of Ibn Hajar on those evidences I already listed above. Go back and reread them.
These *ADDITIONs in parentheses in the text of the Hadith you brought above* are the opinions of Ibn Hajar (which I have refuted above).
Let me ask you again (since you ran away from it the last time I asked)
(I) Do you believe that a girl of 14 years or 16 years in antiquity, depending on whether this was during Khaibar or Tabuk, is NOT possibly matured ?
Let me add 3 more
(Ii) What was the reason why the parents of Aisha were attempting to fatten her up ?
(iii) Give me one or two scholars of Hadith that share same opinion with Ibn Hajar that Aisha at age of 14 years or 16 years was yet to be pubescent just like I brought Al-Bayhaqi that countered Ibn Hajar ?
*YOUR response:*
To prove that Aisha never reached puberty at 14 and no periods until
Her 16th year, Aisha got her period at hajj and then she was 16. Her marriage was consummated in the year 622, and this journey for hajj took place in 629. Therefore, Aisha was about sixteen years old at this time. Sunni and Saudi scholar Mushin Khan proved my points and I’m willing prove it beyond doubt. Aisha was 16 when she reached puberty.
*MY response:*
Where does it say that such period was her FIRST period ?
So if a female is said to have a period, how does that necessarily mean such is her first time ?
And if I should bring another instance where she had period before the time of Hajj, you will still cry foul.
We now turn to YahwehSaves’s responses to Dr Ismail. YahwehSaves will be quoting Dr Ismail and respond to him.
*your response:*
You definitely missed the point even though you admitted the *UNCERTAINTY of Ibn Hajar himself regarding his conclusion !!!* And you are even proving it further that you actually missed the point as I am going to clearly point out again and more vividly.
Firstly, Ibn Hajar was commenting on an Hadith where he himself admitted that Aisha was 14 years old but still had doll with her.
*My response*
We will continue to talk about this till we end this weak arguments you are making.
In the first line of that comment, Ibn Hajar commented on what view was held by those he later considered STRONGEST VIEW which is that Aisha has not yet reached puberty. Then he moved on to talked about the possibility by stating the historical fact that Aisha at kaybar was 14 years old girl. He then proceed to state that at Taburk she has reached puberty.
Note: Between KHAYBAR Taburk was 2 years meaning that this is historical fact. To prove this timeline, I stated the dates these event occurred which proved that Aisha age at the time.
Where issue lies now is whether she has reached puberty or not in which Hajar already quoted as strongest view.
The fact that He then went on to say that at the time of the battle of Taboook she had DEFINITELY REACHED THE AGE OF PUBERTY proved that she had not reached puberty as the source he quoted as strongest view.
Note that this is two years after the battle of KHAYBAR. That means at Tabook she will be 16years old girl. (More on this later)
*Your response*
The addition in the parenthesis/bracket in the text of the Hadith where Ibn Hajar opined that the reason she was allowed dolls at that time was possibly because she had NOT reached puberty *is NOT part of the Hadith* like I already pointed out.
It is just a conclusion or opinion that he reached but such conclusion is NOT sound.
*My response*
Again Hajar doesn’t form the opinion by himself. He was quoting a view that he started with – that she was not yet at the age of puberty. He then later based his argument that this is strongest view which is that it was kaybar when she wasn’t yet reach age of puberty. Don’t mix it up. This is the bone of contention.
Did Hajar cited Hadith that Aisha has not yet reach puberty? Yes!
Did hajar finally called this the strongest view ? Yes!
Case close down!
Hajar opinion on the contradiction it posed which he believed permitting Aisha use of idol was because of the strongest view – she has not yet reached puberty.
This is why Mohammed has not prohibited the doll for her else why allowing her to keep it until later when she was 16 before prohibition if not that it was permitted for someone who can’t discerned what is idolatrous or associate with it until she reach the stage she let go?
So,
– Aisha would be around 14 during the Battle of Khaybar (628 CE).
– Aisha would be around 16 after the Battle of Tabuk (630 CE).
This calculation is based on the commonly accepted dates for these battles.
Hajar wasn’t the only one to said Aisha playing with doll was permissible because she was still prepubescent girl. I quoted it at the tail of my response earlier but I will do it again:
‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and *she was taken to his house AS A BRIDE WHEN SHE WAS NINE, AND HER DOLLS WERE WITH HER;* and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3311)
Al-Khattaabee said:
From this Hadith it is understood that playing with dolls (al-banaat) is not like the amusement from other images (suwar) concerning which the threat (wa’eed) of punishment is mentioned. *The only reason why permission in this was given to ‘Aa’isha (may Allah be pleased with her) is because SHE HAD NOT, AT THAT TIME, REACHED THE AGE OF PUBERTY.*
*You said*
And here are my reasons:
(i) There are multiple Hadith showing how the parents of Aisha were trying to fatten her up to be ready for a married life I.e maturity .(Abu Dawood 3903)
If Aisha had not reached puberty or maturity for a married life, why would her parents despite their aim still send her to live with the prophet if their aim of fattening her up for maturity had not been met ?
*My response*
That they are fatten her shows she has not have the feature of puberty and this is before she got married at 6. Are you saying they were fatten her when she had married and lived with Mohammed?
Did she then attained puberty despite attempt to get her puffed out? No! When she was living with Mohammed she was still being referred to as prepubescent girl not have reached puberty.
However, to answer you question that If Aisha had not reached puberty or maturity for a married life, why would her parents despite their aim still send her to live with the prophet if their aim of fattening her up for maturity had not been met ?
Here is it, the Hadith plus Quran 65:4 justify that you marry off a prepubescent girl and consummate marriage with her and this was used in reference to Aisha who had not reached puberty and Mohammed took her and consummated the marriage.
*You said*
(ii) Aisha herself reported that a female at around 9 years (referring to herself) is already a woman. (See Sunan Tirmidhi 2/409)
*My response*
The reference Sunan al-Tirmidhi 2/409 does not contain a direct statement from Aisha referring to herself as a “woman.” This particular citation may be inaccurately referenced or misunderstood. In the widely accepted hadith collections, Aisha is described in terms of her age during her marriage and its consummation, but there is no direct evidence in these sources that she explicitly called herself a “woman” at the age of nine.
In Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, Aisha describes her age at the time of marriage and when the marriage was consummated, but she does not use the term “woman” to describe herself. Instead, terms like jāriyah (young girl) are more commonly used, which indicates a prepubescent or youthful state, not necessarily adulthood or womanhood.
If you’re referring to a hadith where she uses the term “woman” (in Arabic: imra’ah), that specific wording is not directly found in the most well-known hadith collections concerning her marriage or age at marriage.
You said
(iii) It is laughable to think that a female of 14 years or 16 years, depending on whether it was during Khaibar or Tabuk, in antiquity has NOT reached puberty.
*Response*
It is not laughable because you are using modern construct in which a girl of 9-14 supposed to have reached puberty on time to describe medieval Arabia where girls experience poor growth and low health care. In the modern era girls attained puberty faster than antiquity and medieval period. No wonder they are trying to fatten her yet she is still not attained puberty at kaybar at 14.
You said
So Ibn Hajar was only trying to justify the permission given to her to have a doll despite her being 14 years. Hence, he reluctantly concluded that probably she had not reached puberty.
My response
When are you going to stop twisting what is plain
Ibn Hajar was not trying to justify the permission given to her to have a doll despite her being 14, he based this on the fact that their is view which is strongest that she at 14 has not yet reach puberty and Aisha used doll therefore was permitted her but for adult doll and images were forbidden. He didn’t say probably she has not reached puberty. It was based on strong view that at 14 she has not reached puberty.
You said
Ibn Hajar says _*”.. The strongest view….”*_ referring to the strongest view in his own opinion (as he never referenced any scholars of Hadith) UNLIKE Al-Bayhaq who countered him by saying that the prohibition against playing with doll must have been declared after this incident of Khaibar or Tabuk.
My response
This is subjective and argument from silence. Just because he didn’t directly mentioned or quote any scholar then it is it can be trashed as his opinion? Your Hadith are based on opinion and opinion in themselves and Hajar claim was not taken from thin air as I quoted Hadiths in reference to the fact that Aisha as at time she lived with Mohammed never attained puberty and your Quran 65:4 corroborated it.
Note that Hajar was a respect and reputable commentator and an expert on sahih bukhari Hadith and HISTORIAN of the Shari’s school of thought.
Al-Bayhaqi did not countered what Hajar said with any Hadith as well on whether she has reached age of puberty or not rather on whether the prohibition of doll was at kaybar or tabook. The fact remains Aisha has not reached the age of puberty at 14. It was also Bayhaqi opinion which is not substantiated by any quoted to disprove Hajar. He only Quote to us he Hadith that invalidate what Hajar claimed as strongest view.
Note that historically he was right that Aisha reached puberty at 16 with certainty at tabook which will indicate with no doubt she has not therefore the reason why dolls were permitted for her was because Images and anything associated were forbidden for grown up ones.
You said
Did I hear you say _*”consensus”*_ ? Definitely, you do not know what a consensus is. Bring me one Hadith scholar that share same opinion with him like I brought Al-Bayhaqi, thus disproving your consensus claim.
*Response*
Yes! When Hadith have strongest views what do you attached consensus to it?
Bayhaqi was only talking about permission of doll and where? Remember the Hadith you brought earlier that shows the narrator is also confused whether it is at kaybar or tabook when Muhammad returned from expedition, it was stated in bracket that the narrator is doubtful.
Whatever, the fact still stands out that Aisha was at the time of kaybar 14 and he said with certain at 16 she has reached puberty. Again at 14 she has not reached puberty.
*your response:*
Your response here is incomprehensible because you are already confused.
I clearly stated, just like Imam Al-Bayhaqi, that she was allowed to have doll at 14 or 16 years because the prohibition against playing with doll had NOT been given or issued at that time.
Response
What is incomprehensible in my response? That is not a sign of confusion at all. Doll were permitted for Aisha and wasn’t forbidden for her until later when she reached 16 (two years after kaybar). She wasn’t allowed to have doll at 16 but was prohibited. That was taboook when Mohammed came back from expendition to tabook.
At 14 she was not prohibited
At 16 she was prohibited
I didn’t say something that is not comprehensible. In fact you are proving my point. Also the point still remain that at tabook event Aisha certainly had reach puberty therefore she was prohibited to have doll at 16. At 6 through 15 she used her doll even in Mohammed house.
*your response:*
Thanks for agreeing that his questioning or doubts about his own opinion is a proof that he was uncertain whether or not Aisha had reached puberty. But we do know, just like I have given evidences above and from Aisha herself and her parents, that she already reached puberty.
Response
You have misrepresented me and then thank me and then move on to oversimplified my claims giving you more space to attach straw. Below was my claim:
His questioning and his conclusion are oppose to each other. His questioning (which was not stated in the text) is not overshadowing the fact that he knows about Aisha puberty. Aisha never reach puberty at 14. His concern is not superior to STRONGEST VIEW on Aisha age.
Next you said
_”The strongest view”_ you are shouting is from his own subjectivity. He did not name anybody. Again, I dare you to show me scholars of Hadith that share same opinion with him that Aisha at 14 years or 16 years was still immature.
Response:
No! Not his own subjectivity at all. In fact I also quoted one two Hadith that Aisha has not yet reached puberty while she used her doll
I’ve already shared Hadith on that and why do you missed it. She had not reached puberty and she uses her doll and became it was permissible for her to due to her age status.
This incident occurred in July 628, when Muhammad returned from Khaybar and discovered that Aïsha, then fourteen and a half, still played with her dolls. He did not mind; he laughed over it. Playing with “dolls and similar images” was absolutely forbidden to adults because it was so close to idolatry. Only prepubescent children were allowed to keep dolls. Muhammad was very strict about not allowing his wives to keep images in their houses later when he came back from tabook. This is clearer than your gymnast. Hajar questioning didn’t overshadowed the strongest (not weak, not strong, not stronger) view. Hajar isn’t just someone that will just say what he doesn’t know. He questioned yet didn’t allow such to interfere with the view that it was because Aisha had not reached puberty and Hadith already proved that. Why noise?
*your response:*
What strongest view are you talking about despite being corrected that this only means the strongest view in his own subjectivity (Since he did not reference anybody). I already gave you proofs above, from Aisha herself and her own parents’ aims, that a female at 14 or 16 years in antiquity should have hit puberty.
Response
The same one you’ve been reading. It proves that Aisha had not reached puberty at 14 until 16. It is not subjective because Hadith has it proven.
Point of correction 7th century isn’t antiquity. That is early middle age. However in antiquity down to middle age, children growth especially female isn’t that fast and can vary. Aisha was married at the age of 6 and 9 slept with then she had not reached puberty. Your sources and historical information said that as at kaybar Aisha was 14 not yet reached puberty until 16. Why all these noise ? Quran 65:4 and Hadith as related to Aisha and the tafsir proved that a girl doesn’t need to reach puberty before she can be marry off and consummate with her the marriage.
*MY response:*
I want to believe you read in the Hadith where I bolded. It says _*”…..after the expedition to Tabuk OR Khaibar (the narrator is doubtful)…*”_
From the above, it clear that Aisha was either 14 or 16 years at the time in question !!!!!!
Response
Simply put which you alsobquoted yourself said the narrator is doubtful. He wasn’t referring to Hajar or what he said but this particular Hadith narrator you quoted. Hajar never claimed it was after to takboor or kaybar. He was certain that it was at kaybar that Aisha turned 14 and still immatured but did at takbur 2 years later she became puberty. No noise!!
The narrator was confused and he didn’t even say if she is 14 or 16 or not about her ages at all.
Go Read it again
You also agreed that the narrator is daif doubtful, however this doesn’t prove that Aisha was at least 14 years or 16 years at this time she has dolls. Nothing of such reflect in daif narrative
You messed up this narrative boy.
What this actually proves was that she WAS ALLOWED (NOT SHE WAS NOT ALLOWED) TO PLAYED WITH DOLL SIMPLY BECAUSE SHE WAS YOUNG but because the prohibition against playing with doll for A GIRL WHO HAS NOT REACHED PUBERTY DOES NOT APPLIED TO HER (not that it has not been declared at time)
